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Daily Kos: Sarah Palin Is NOT The Mother [Photos+Video]

this is probably totally false, but an interesting read.

I think the worst part of the article is the comments. All these pathetic leftist saying to leave it alone because it could backfire, or be used against them by a skilled "rovian" campaign advisor. What ever happened to looking for the truth, and standing up for whats right...

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BdReligionGrrl

Oh, I'd say the whole thing is probably true. I've spent a good portion of my morning reading the various articles/editorials about this, looking at the pictures... and by george, I'd say that kid had a kid. Grandma, aka the VP nominee, eloped with her husband when she was already preggers with their eldest child, so it's not like this cover-up would be uncharacteristic of her. She's pro-contraceptive, anti-abortion (even for rape victims), anti-safe-sex-ed, but damned if her teenage daughter is going to screw up her career.

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BdReligionGrrl

I like this blog from 23/6: We're going with the rumor: Sarah Palin is not Trig's mother - 236 - News

We're going with the rumor: Sarah Palin is not Trig's mother



Sarah Palin looks amazing for four months after her fifth kid. A little TOO amazing.

A day after Sarah Palin made us believe we could grow up to be president if this comedy writing thing doesn't pan out, we stumble across the greatest rumor since Hillary Clinton is a lesbian- Sarah's 4 month old son, Trig, is actually her grandson. Trig's real mom, suggests the internet underbelly, is Sarah's teenage daughter, Bristol.
"Comments from the left field" points out that Sarah never looked pregnant, and Bristol was taken out of school for 4 or 5 months because she got "mono," an illness we remember from a Brady Bunch episode. (Someone double check with Michelle Obama.)
Would a 44-year-old woman with four kids out of diapers, embarking on her first governorship, really get pregnant? Or would a 17-year-old, living in a small Alaska town with conservative parents who didn't tell her about condoms, starting fooling around and accidentally get knocked up?
We hope it's not true, for little Trig's sake. But we also hoped John Edwards would never cheat on awesome Elizabeth with that toad Rielle. Sometimes politics is stranger than fiction. Frances Quinn Hunter and Trig Palin, America demands a day of bi-partisan paternity tests.

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paragon

Another breakdown:

Alaskan Governor's child may be her daughter's? - iReport.com

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i'd fuck her.

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Dictator Bob

Yeah but you'll believe anything that supports the colors you wear on your sleeves.

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Thadeau

they're right, sarah palin is NOT the mother of trig palin...I am ....he came out of my butt earlier this month when I ate too many chicharrones. that is why he is all wrinkly and wet looking. montezuma has gotten his revenge.

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BdReligionGrrl

you're insane.

THAT, i believe.

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paragon

I think you all know I am in no way an Obama supporter. I am a registered republican, (voting libertarian) who intends to hold all of my elected officials to a higher standards of ethics. I don't think asking tough questions of people the who are going to be granted the power to run this country for the next 4 years is out of line.

My facebook group : http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=85570310528

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Dictator Bob

Read what Paragon said. That is what you should strive for. Not the blind following of the teachings you've had in the past. We need people to be aggressively attacking their own choices for political office right now. What we have had in the past and continue to have now are blind followers with superficial comprehension on political matters.

It is unfortunate but "red vs blue" seems to be the easiest herd to cull. Don't be a member of this group. You're too easy to lie to.

As for my sanity, you have very little concept of what I actually believe politically. Part of what I do believe however is that there are groups of individuals such as yourself that are easily swayed and accept what information is handed to them in life as truth. Once beliefs are held they are considered not only absolute but absolute justice. There is no easy return from this viewpoint and any information submitted to you which is supportive of your worldview is accepted as truth or probability.

So the task those of us who share your beliefs but do not share in your trust in the delivery of those concepts by our current political forces is daunting. As long as you surrender to the next salesman in a pretty suit with dauntingly hypnotic prose the problem continues. Add to this the vitriol that consists of any discussion in these areas and we have a circular paradigm that frustratingly to myself seems unbreakable.

Fortunately, those of us who refuse to sit idly by while you decide to live in a "football pool" mindset will continue on. Eventually I hope there is a message we can all rally behind to re-enforce our original system of governance and put the issues we all share concern about into the hands of the people again. I can't expect more from people like yourself than this hope of the future. It is too easy to be outraged at a difference of opinion, even if the opinion is presented earnestly, honestly, and with intention of actual discussion. Being fickle it seems is much easier to endure than having to look at and research one's worldview - especially if such perception of reality has been held as one's beliefs for a lifetime. Never-you-mind having to actually stand up and justify one's beliefs while allowing them to be challenged.

It truly is much easier to hide behind one's ego through ridicule than it is to face such ridicule yourself.

Let me know if I have misspelled anything or if there is any improper grammar.

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Trancehed

Name one leader of any country that has been an ideal leader in your mind. It's too hard to find someone that is "perfect" so to speak. And a lot of things are subjective. The best you can hope for is a president that will make a positive impact on the country.

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Dictator Bob

I do not ask for utopia, I ask for the maximum amount of truth. To suggest perfection is to suggest man is infallible. Any leader I could promote would also come with baggage. To that extent you are correct. And, I understand your reasoning for supporting Obama.

What I find unacceptable is not your reasoning for support. It is the ability for the political machine owned whole and completely by forces that do not want you to know what the ramifications of his policies truly are or their actual meaning. That in mind:

The best I can hope for is a political awakening over the next decade. One where emotions do not come into play in place of principle. And one where "Swift Boaters" cannot create propaganda so easily sucked up by the masses without scrutiny from the whole sum of voters.

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BdReligionGrrl

I am just glad - nay, thankful - that Adam knows so much about me - about my beliefs, about my values, about my upbringing, even about the inner workings of my mind.

Finally, somebody GETS me!

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Thadeau

the "excitement" of this election is what scares me. it is too convenient to be anything real. after bush anything looks better. Add the "shock" value of the possibility of a woman or non-white person in the office and it reeks of entertainment production. to me it is still the worst of 2 evils, regardless of sex or skin color. it is still the government, and career government professionals. they make a living off of telling us what we can and cannot do.
hell even ron paul wants to allow individual states the right to decide whether or not to teach creationism next to evolution. it is the system itself that is flawed.

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Thadeau

just read somewhere that palin has announced that her daughter is 5 months pregnant. genius political distraction tactic? seems to me like she is playing sleight of hand.

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tuna

How do you guys feel about Sarah Palin being tied to the Alaska Independence Party which is pushing for a vote for Alaska's secession from the United States? Do we really want a vice president who advocates for the US only having 49 states?


And in case you have not heard about this: Daily Kos: Recapping Palin's Secession Scandal

Youtube video of her addressing the AIP as governor: YouTube - Sarah Palin and the Alaska Independence Party. Palin addresses AIP convention

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I heard this movie is really good.

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Dictator Bob

I know you run pretty quickly when confronted and can't hide behind your pretentious self-gratifying supercilious douchebaggery. I can assume you're fairly clueless about the rest. I do have trouble believing that's true but the assumption can be made through a course of logic based on your vacuous "discussion points".

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the wolf

and he likes cats too. what perferct couple.


hey; I think I’m getting the hang of this sarcasm stuff.

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BdReligionGrrl

I know, right?!?!

PS, who's being sarcastic? I'm serious about my new crush.

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paragon

I think alaska should be independent

I think the south should be independent

I think california should be independent

fucking go for it!!!!

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tuna

I agree with you, but think that through. California has the nuke tech(nuclear powerplants + Cal Tech and Stanford), solar tech(NanoSolar, solar power plants), computer tech(Cisco, Apple, Oracle, any ?s) communications tech(Broadcomm, Qualcomm) Even if we wanted to secede, we would need an army large enough to fight off what was left of the US because the resources we have here are so vital to the foundations of the modern nation. We would need a situation where the US was so weak as a whole that it would be powerless to stop California. I dont ever want to see that happen. Not because I am against it, but because it would require massive loss of life and probably massive police action large enough to stimulate the population into active and open revolt. Do you really want to see that level of violence?

Bryan Charles

Says who? Who makes you or your opinion the authority of what should be striven for politically or personally? The great thing about this nation that we live in is that we have the freedom to decide what is important in our own lives. If you don't want to be be engaged in politics, guess what...no one is going to make you join a political organization!

What are the teachings of others that you assume to be so informed about?

The last thing we need right now is more political attacking or more attacks regarding the personal choices of others. What we truly NEED is intelligent, compassionate and productive discussion about the commonalities we all share as citizens of this great nation, followed up by an organized effort to get as many voices involved as possible.

I agree completely.

It's unfortunate that you do not believe in the power of collective persuasion. The political parties that exist in this nation is what has allowed the representation of the most culturally diverse nation on the planet to be fairly represented in the our government. Can we improve the process...absolutely. If you want more diverse views voiced in Congress, the great thing about this country is that you can start your own political party and work towards building a coalition of like-minded individuals. Then you go to Washington and make your COLLECTIVE voices heard.

Here is a great example of why I finally decided to respond to this thread and your comments collectively. You consistently attack the views and opinions of others and spout silly conspiracy theories without any support other then some link to some random article you found on the INTERNET of all places. If someone says something you disagree with, you attack their personal character. It's sad when intelligence is wasted as bullying.

Here's an example of what I like to call...rhetorical masturbation! WTF are you trying to say. The first rule of public speaking...speak to your audience, not at them. Also, I consider myself moderately intelligent and I have NO IDEA what your trying to convey in the above statement?


More meaningless fluff and rhetorical masturbation.

I would rather continue moving forward with the evolution of Democracy rather then going back to our original system. The original system didn't work and caused a civil war. The revised system failed us still and resulted in the civil rights movement. In today's system there is a public data base where the average American citizen can go and view every earmark introduced to Congress, something that was considered confidential until recent reforms lead by...uhh...oh yeah, that Obama guy. Apart from modern American Democracy, if you would like to examine the failures of Plutonian or Jeffersonian Democracy, I would be happy to discuss them with you.

Again, you attack people rather then encourage a continued dialogue about their believes. I have discovered in my extensive litigation experience that attacks are usually mounted as a result of the attacking sides lack of evidence or inability to thoroughly support their argument.


WTF have YOU ever done to stand up for what you believe in? I've watched helplessly as African nation militias ruthlessly killed their own starving people and hoped that the African citizens could reach our check point and safety before the militia caught up to them, I helped those people and other struggling people from many developing nations build schools and taught leadership and ethics classes for military students around the world, I have seen the faces of those truly oppressed by the governments. We in the United States, live a life of such decadence compared to most places in the world, which is what allows us often times to make silly statements.



In summary, I believe your intelligent. I respect your view and enthusiasm about politics but COMPLETELY DISAGREE with you methods. If you want to have intelligent discussion or debate about a particular geo-political topic then do so without the attacks and slander, it just makes you look bad!

keryna

wow. seems the more radical, and fanatic sumone becomes, the meaner they become too? i guess that makes sense, but it really makes it hard to take their ideas too seriously.

i remember when we used to be nice to each other cuz of our common appreciation of the music, the scene, dancing, etc. those were the old days huh?

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keryna

i kinda felt the same way when i found out about mccain's choice. don't know whether to just stop believing or to just believe we live in extraordinary times....

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Trancehed

yeah Adam you're no fun to talk politics with.. you always end up talking down to people

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PinkSim

being an absolutist is funny. makes you do craaaazy things.

Trancehed

I got this from the Human Rights Campaign today..

During her 2006 run for Governor, Palin was asked, "Will you support an effort to expand hate crimes laws?" Palin's response? "No, as I believe all heinous crime is based on hate."

"Do you support the Alaska Supreme Court's ruling that spousal benefits for state employees should be given to same-sex couples? Why or why not?" Palin: "No, I believe spousal benefits are reserved for married citizens as defined in our constitution."

And last, but not least, Palin was asked about her top three priorities as Governor, with regard to families. Palin's #2 priority? "Preserving the definition of 'marriage' as defined in our constitution."

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SkuTech

Speaking of Palin... check out this fact check article:


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Shocker! A politician stretched the truth??

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Dictator Bob

OK - captain obvious much?


This has nothing to do with me calling out Katie which is all I was doing. I'm not having an angry debate with you because you feel my tactics are improper. Katie has attacked me on multiple occasions, I have no interest in playing nice with misinformation because of it.


I do this all the time here and in other places. People read disagreement with their own opinions as angered opposition all the time with political topics. Katie instead of contributing to the discussion threw insults. I'm just happy to expose her weakness in return.


You're wrong, I do. You're new on this discussion. Over time you would see I'm more than willing to discuss positions. Even when being attacked I remain rational.

This does not read very strong. It sounds like a lot of hopeful meandering man. If you want real change you have to activate for it, and you have to caucus. You should understand this before you make these statements.


I site information that is sourced and I can also provide video as well as articles and books. Give me one piece of information that you say is a "conspiracy" and I'll be happy to refute your claim. What you are doing is attacking my positions without merit based on claims. You are also using "conspiracy" as a term which is really a weasel tactic. Considering I'm referencing the ease to believe in this thread I find this quite ironic.

When have I attacked someone's personal character? Give me a reference. Aside from Katie who has attacked mine directly. Otherwise you owe me an apology (or I can attack your personal character which I'm quite okay with).


Rhetorical masturbation is the third item I quoted from you.

I'm trolling Katie. If you really must know when this thread popped up I laughed out loud thinking "I bet Katie is going to chime in supporting this ala swiftboat style [blind faith]" only to pop the thread open and reading her opening statement while shooting milk 4 feet out my nose in laughter.

Captain Obvious strikes again.

I do not consider myself "intelligent". I consider self-labels arrogant. What I was trying to convey was fairly simple:

"You are being sold to."

Funny how ready to "attack" you are for such a noble defender of the innocent? You should do some self-reflection here and apologize.


Right now you look to me like what you assume me to be. Slightly worse as you mentioned "conspiracy theory" when I rarely if ever talk about anything considered a theory.

Dwell on that for a while then we can talk about this.


No, I was attacking Katie. It was more of a quid pro thingy.

I totally saw you with a wine glass and pinky raised here. In my extensive debate experience I found that:

... is actually a psychological effect created by deep conviction and personal ego.

Indignation then insinuation that you have through suffering and hard work led a more noble and experienced life therefore having the moral and intellectual high ground? Without even knowing me you make a statement that you are better? You insinuate I am a hippocrite living a life of complete luxury? I have no moral standing, no moral grounds, no world experience enough to make judgement as I have not been where you have been?

You sir are clearly better than I. Your opinions are clearly more worthy than my own. Your sacrifice does clearly create an imbalance between us, with you on the high ground.

Especially since, if given the choice or if directed towards in life I would have done none of the same. Correct?

I try to live a life of humble wellness and atonement. I fail often and regret when I do, I pick myself up and go at it again. Instead of doing this rhetorical masturbation thing (which is what you like to call it and let us all know) perhaps you should do more of that open communication thing that you pretend you are master of?


Yeah but you're new here. I mean ... I've argued with people a lot on here but it is 9/10 times because they start arguing with me then get frustrated because I do not change my positions or concede. More relevant here - when people break down and start insulting or bashing me - I tend to fight back.

We're talking a small group of people who know each other here as well. You're assuming that I'm being a dick all across the board. No, you are incorrect. I am being a dick to Katie (who is fairly immune to trolling unfortunately). I am doing this because she was a dick to me once when I really was interested in her opinion as at the time I had a great deal of respect for her. The most heated debates I've had on SDR had only one casualty, and it was someone who was throwing personal insults my way then getting pissed off that I threw them back (and a lot better of a job at it might I say so myself).

You were not here for that and it's okay, I forgive you. But I do not think you'll be more than exactly everything you are accusing me of being and doing here. I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong - name your topic and let's go.

Sadly I agree with what yousay about my tactics. If it wasn't for the fact that they were premeditated I would be ashamed. Instead, I just think Katie's a jerk and don't really fucking care what you think about me (yet).

Otherwise - seriously man you're doing everything you say you hate.

Like that? I made it pink for yooz.

lol, trancehead. I've always totally respected your opinions. All I've ever wanted was for you to understand monetary theory.

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BdReligionGrrl

Holy shit son, you are seriously crazytown and your obsession with me is borderline disturbing. Could you have mentioned me one more time up there?

Thank god you haven't left your room in years, or I'd be worried I might actually run into you somewhere!

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BdReligionGrrl

That's a serious understatement, but not in the way you meant.

Say hi to your gi- oh, right. Say hi to your WoW buddies for me.

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Dictator Bob

No it's dead on, and in the way I meant it.

Sure. Jen and I are seeing each other tomorrow night. We don't hang out enough but that's really my fault.

Say hi to your boyfriend for me.

I belong to a (great) martial arts school (attend 3-5 x a week), do a lot of business networking (seeing the country now), and generally stay out of the party scene to keep away from 4am bed times. It's not that I want to play WoW, I just don't want to drink my life away. Beer goes straight to the waist and I am getting older.

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Dictator Bob

Oh - also the baby was mine but I still feel Palin was an attempt to shore votes from the split libertarian faction of the GOP as much as anything. Considering we had petitioned heavily to have her work with Paul I'd say McSame is worried about the many states where we beat him or scored double digits. The Clinton connection might have more or less to do with it, but since I am still connected to the current of the libertarian discussion I know for a fact that there was a huge stir when this was announced.

Her administration would be frightening should she take the main seat, as she has no transitional plans for moving to the more "radical" positions she has. She would also be incredibly impressionable and in my eyes more than likely led on by her "advisors" than her own experience and conviction. The real problem is the inability for the public to look at her previous and potential policy as well as it's real life effects on them.

Instead, we go LOL BABY LOL.

And, I think this is bad. Very bad. Very very very bad. Very bad, a lot.

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