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County officials establish rave task force in wake of Electric Daisy Carnival



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The Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors voted Tuesday to establish a task force to examine and "enhance rave safety" after last month's Electric Daisy Carnival led to more than 100 hospitalizations. A 15-year-old girl died last week of a suspected drug overdose after attending the two-day dance event at the L.A. Memorial Coliseum and adjoining Exposition Park, which drew between 80,000 and 100,000 people per day.

The motion to establish the task force follows a call last week by Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky to establish a rave moratorium. Coliseum officials announced last week a temporary ban on new contracts with rave operators as they consider whether to allow another such event.

"While the Coliseum Commission has taken steps to temporarily stop these events from being held on its property, the county must work with other key community stakeholders to look at the larger public health risks posts by raves and other similar events," the motion reads.

The motion defines a rave as "musical events" that "tend to be held over ... long periods of time -- sometimes days -- in large venues on both public and private property." Among the issues the task force seeks to investigate are the location, hours and size in "which these events can legally be held," as well as education efforts to "raise awareness about the potential dangers of rave parties."

The task force is to be made up of city, police and hospital representatives. A spokesman for Yaroslavsky's office noted that the task force will include representatives from the music and promotion industry. The goal of the task force, reads the motion, is to "develop countywide recommendations to enhance rave safety by mandating that rave promoters and sponsors incorporate public health recommendations into their event planning, for example by requiring the use of private emergency medical staff."

Electric Daisy was the first of what were to have been multiple electronica-focused events planned in L.A. over the coming weeks, including July 17's Hard L.A. at the Los Angeles State Historic Park, a 36-acre plot just east of Chinatown. This summer's other big electronica event, the Love Festival, is scheduled to take place over the Los Angeles Sports Arena, next to the Coliseum, on Aug. 21. It was unclear how the call for a moratorium might affect that event, although a formal decision could be made as early as July 16, when the Coliseum Commission is slated to meet.

Approximately 120 people were transported to local hospitals during the two-day Electric Daisy Carnival. Los Angeles police made 118 arrests, mostly for drug possession. at the event, which is now in its 14th year, and more the 200 were reported injured by Los Angeles Fire Department officials.

Insomniac, which organized Electric Daisy, issued a statement attributed to Simon Rust Lamb: "We hope that the task force, with input from a broad range of the community and stakeholders, including representatives from the musical events industry will create responsible and reasonable recommendations which can be implemented for all musical events in the county."

This is far from the first time raves -- or large, dance-focused music events -- have had their safety questioned. A 2000 story in The Times noted that the very mention of the word "rave" conjured "images of mysterious, illegal warehouse parties where dancers groove on machine-like music and synthetic drugs such as Ecstasy."

Gary Richards, a veteran dance music promoter who's hosting Hard L.A., said in interview last week, and published in Saturday's Calendar, that he is working with the LAPD to make sure his event goes off without problems. But Richards also insists that his event shouldn't be called a rave.

"I do not want to be a rave. I do not want kids in there eating pacifiers," he said, referring to some ravers' practice of holding pacifiers in their mouths to keep from grinding their teeth, which is a sometimes involuntary side effect of Ecstasy use.

"I'm trying to get to music fans who love this music. I've been involved with electronic music for 20 years," Richards continued, "and I've seen this cycle happen three times. It gets popular, and then something happens and then it goes away. My goal is to do these events with quality artists and make them safe and secure."

In an interview last week, Los Angeles-based electronic experimenter Flying Lotus (real name: Steven Ellison), an Electric Daisy veteran, was asked by about the county's move to investigate and possibly limit large-scale dance events.

"If they shut them down, we’ll find a way," Ellison said. "That’s the beauty of young people. It doesn’t have to be a huge event that everyone knows about. Maybe it needs to be a little more underground, like it used to be."

The task force is to report its findings and recommendations within 120 days.

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The Times noted that the very mention of the word "rave" conjured "images of mysterious, illegal warehouse parties where dancers groove on machine-like music and synthetic drugs such as Ecstasy."

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Re: County officials establish rave task force in wake of Electric Daisy Carnival

whats curly quoted is one reason why i think that we should avoid using the 4 letter r word as much as possible.
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"If they shut them down, we’ll find a way," Ellison said. "That’s the beauty of young people. It doesn’t have to be a huge event that everyone knows about. Maybe it needs to be a little more underground, like it used to be."

AWESOME... now if only small underground events could afford to book him... ha ha ha
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Does that promoter really have a handle on what "safe" is...
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whats curly quoted is one reason why i think that we should avoid using the 4 letter r word as much as possible.
i tend to use teh word "event" when im telling people about parties and such.
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..tho I totally see why they don't call them raves anymore when promoting them.. but I will always be a raver..
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i thought edc was a carnival... its not electric daisy rave ha
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"That’s the beauty of young people. It doesn’t have to be a huge event that everyone knows about. Maybe it needs to be a little more underground, like it used to be."

The beauty is that they LOVE THE MONEY...safety second =) I hope they DO come to an agreement that will still allow these events. That's all I have to say for now....
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i still dont understand why they made it 16+ if they didnt check anyones ids at the door. seriously if ur in fucking middle school u shouldnt be able to get into an event this crazy
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I don't think they'd shut down massives. It's the biggest ever. Too much $$$ generated to just shut them down.

America is so fucking conservative and close minded. Look at Europe and see how much longer dance music has been popular and accepted.
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..can't take my culture from me.. shit...
No, but they can shape it almost completely. It's interesting to me that this culture so quickly became commercialized. I think that a lot of people who think they're so "free" are actually conforming.

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whenever i tell my bf i'm going to a "rave" he laugs, (cus he's not a raver) and then i get all pissy and defensive. so yeah, i hate calling it that too. too many stereotypes. no i do not wear fuzzy pants, no i do not wear candy, no, i don't suck on pacifiers. i never have. that's one thing that sucks about dating a "non raver"...they get these ideas of what they THINK it is. ugh...
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whenever i tell my bf i'm going to a "rave" he laugs, (cus he's not a raver) and then i get all pissy and defensive. so yeah, i hate calling it that too. too many stereotypes. no i do not wear fuzzy pants, no i do not wear candy, no, i don't suck on pacifiers. i never have. that's one thing that sucks about dating a "non raver"...they get these ideas of what they THINK it is. ugh...
I had to explain to my boyfriend what a rave was when we met LOL.
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Who knows maybe this task force will be a good thing. I mean if t actually does what they are saying they want to do, AND they take input from people like insomniac, this could be a good thing. Obviously they keep getting bigger and bigger. And "arguably" more dangerous due to size. If they can find ways to make them safe than so be it. Like it's been mentioned before, I doubt they will just end them. Especially in an economy like this when cities need all the money they can get.
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I still say that considering the size, things were pretty well handled. Not sure what else they could have done to make it safer other than making it 18+ and lowering the capacity.
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My .02 (and then I'm ducking and covering for the inevitable response I'm gonna get):

Dance music culture in California has taken a disgusting twist over the last 3-5 years. No longer is it about music and dancing, it's more about drugs, social status, and identity. I see it every all ages party I go to (yes I'm a hypocrite having played underage events and thus supported them, but that's another debate). I even see it in some of the 21+ crowd.

Raving is no longer a "release" for people, like it was to some, it's now an addiction of it's own. People HAVE to RAVE. If they don't get their RAVE, they start jumping off balconies or bull rushing fences or trampling their own, all in a quest to get their fix. There is no peace, there is no love, there is NO unity, and by far there is no RESPECT. All the while promoters are laughing all the way to the bank as they profit off this collective addiction. Don't think I'm right? Look at all the people desperately looking for tickets to massives less than a week before the party on craigslist, willing to pay any cost just to get their fix of RAVE.

Anyone who didn't see something like this coming is ignorant. Look at what happened at HARD (kids bum rushing entrances, jumping off balconies trying to get on the main floor, etc.). Look at any line outside any major party in California - you'll witness pushing, shoving, people swearing and cursing at each other, etc. The current "rave" environment in CA is one of the most disgusting examples of what a section of our human race has come to. And now, it's finally starting to reach a breaking point.

What's sad to me is that promoters have played right along with this, willingly gouging ticket prices and overstuffing venues because just as the ravers are "hooked" on rave, promoters are just as deep down the rabbit hole with money. Rave is peaking and the market is booming - might as well try to milk it for all we got right? So thus you see $100 tickets, $6 waters, $12 beers/cocktails (god forbid there might be someone who DOESN'T wanna do hard drugs at a rave, might as well profit off them too), etc etc etc.

It's all a disgusting downward spiral, and anyone who denies that it's been happening is lying to themselves. The bubble is going to burst soon, we all know it is. What happened at EDC may or may not be the pin that bursts it, but if not it's just another step towards the inevitable.

So I'm sure some are asking, if I'm ranting about all this, why do I still participate, both as a DJ and as a partyer? For me it's still about MUSIC. I'm not a raver, I'm not a party/club kid, I'm a MUSIC FAN. Music is what drives me on a daily basis, so much so that when I go out on the weekends or I agree to play gigs, I'm willing to put all the disgusting BS aside because I love music and I always will. The fact that so many people hang around in this scene/environment even with all the BS is proof to me of the power of music. Those that are in it for social status or drug intake eventually fade away - we've all seen it before. Those are truly in love with the music are the ones that even after 10/15/20 years, you still see out here and there, creeping out of the woodwork to experience the music they love.

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i like what you said kellen, i can admit im addicted to "rave" but my rave differs from the kids that go to massives IMO.

ill stick to my underground intimate vibe thank you very much.

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Well said, Kellen... +10 - and stop ducking - be proud of your opinion.

This is my theory:

When we were doing our thing, and raves were what they were to use years and years ago, the kids that we complain about today were REALLY young. I'll just use my time as an example, and you can factor in your own math from your years of bring a raver and consider the outcome... I became a "raver" 8+ years ago. Take our average 16 year old raver... they were 8 when I started raving. Now take your time in the scene, and subtract the difference from their age...

Point is, when we were building this scene, and the music that supports it (and in our day, was the point of us attending said raves) these kids were so young, they had no idea what was going on with us. Playing with Barbie and such. As they grew older, they kept hearing the propaganda from the media and their parent I'm sure, telling them that raves were all about the drugs... the nightlife is crazy, raves are scary/dangerous, drugs are bad and are the focus of raves, don't go, boogah boogah boogah!

It's like child psychology: kids are a product of both their genetics and their environment. And they're curious. When things get shoved down their throats... things like abstinence... abstinence from sex, drugs, RAVES... it makes them want to do it more.

So consider kids, being told their whole lives, "No, you can't go to raves, you can't do drugs, no no no" - naturally, the kids are going to want to go to raves and do drugs. Not all of them, of course. We always have to have the prudes in society. (stupid prudes) But the point of going to raves is distorted for these tots. Drugs drugs drugs! Skanky clothes, freak dancing, and "shuffling"!

And like that, the media was successful in creating what it was reporting for so long.

Children should not be allowed to rave. Period.
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Dance music culture in California has taken a disgusting twist over the last 3-5 years. No longer is it about music and dancing, it's more about drugs, social status, and identity. I see it every all ages party I go to (yes I'm a hypocrite having played underage events and thus supported them, but that's another debate). I even see it in some of the 21+ crowd.

Raving is no longer a "release" for people, like it was to some, it's now an addiction of it's own. People HAVE to RAVE. If they don't get their RAVE, they start jumping off balconies or bull rushing fences or trampling their own, all in a quest to get their fix. There is no peace, there is no love, there is NO unity, and by far there is no RESPECT. All the while promoters are laughing all the way to the bank as they profit off this collective addiction. Don't think I'm right? Look at all the people desperately looking for tickets to massives less than a week before the party on craigslist, willing to pay any cost just to get their fix of RAVE.

Anyone who didn't see something like this coming is ignorant. Look at what happened at HARD (kids bum rushing entrances, jumping off balconies trying to get on the main floor, etc.). Look at any line outside any major party in California - you'll witness pushing, shoving, people swearing and cursing at each other, etc. The current "rave" environment in CA is one of the most disgusting examples of what a section of our human race has come to. And now, it's finally starting to reach a breaking point.

What's sad to me is that promoters have played right along with this, willingly gouging ticket prices and overstuffing venues because just as the ravers are "hooked" on rave, promoters are just as deep down the rabbit hole with money. Rave is peaking and the market is booming - might as well try to milk it for all we got right? So thus you see $100 tickets, $6 waters, $12 beers/cocktails (god forbid there might be someone who DOESN'T wanna do hard drugs at a rave, might as well profit off them too), etc etc etc.

It's all a disgusting downward spiral, and anyone who denies that it's been happening is lying to themselves. The bubble is going to burst soon, we all know it is. What happened at EDC may or may not be the pin that bursts it, but if not it's just another step towards the inevitable.

So I'm sure some are asking, if I'm ranting about all this, why do I still participate, both as a DJ and as a partyer? For me it's still about MUSIC. I'm not a raver, I'm not a party/club kid, I'm a MUSIC FAN. Music is what drives me on a daily basis, so much so that when I go out on the weekends or I agree to play gigs, I'm willing to put all the disgusting BS aside because I love music and I always will. The fact that so many people hang around in this scene/environment even with all the BS is proof to me of the power of music. Those that are in it for social status or drug intake eventually fade away - we've all seen it before. Those are truly in love with the music are the ones that even after 10/15/20 years, you still see out here and there, creeping out of the woodwork to experience the music they love.

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Kellen, have you been in the rave scene for more than 3 or 4 years? How could you possibly know what the scene was about back then? The scene has ALWAYS been heavily influenced by drugs. ALWAYS. Don't ever let someone that's been around for a while lie to you and say otherwise. I'd be willing to bet that if it wasn't for club drugs... the "rave scene" would have never taken off. That's not to say that you have to be into drugs to be into the scene. But to try and say it was somehow better in that respect early on is a grave mistake.

There have always been people in the scene for more than just the drugs, "status (lol)", or whatever other "bad" reasons we can say. The people that are in it for more stick around for longer than a year or 2. And the rest fade away. Just like they always have. YES there may be more of these new people that really don't get it. But either they WILL get it.. or they will fade away soon. And the scene keeps evolving.

Personally I LOVE that our scene is getting huge. I LOVE that the music is becoming more mainstream. I LOVE that we're finally (finally) just starting to catch up to Europe and the rest of the world. YES the underground was cool. And more UG style parties can still be hella fun. But things must evolve. Hell, in SD we got so underground that the scene almost died. What the hell is the point then?? So underground that no one is there LOL. I love the way our scene is now.. big parties to bring in the fresh blood.. and hella fun for me to rock out. Some of you can't imagine how great it feels to be at a massive.. rocking out with close to 100,000 people... dancing to the same beat.. no matter what our reasons are. Dude, it's a beautiful thing and I wouldn't change it for a thing. And there's no reason UG shit can't happen too. And that shit is fun as well for me.. just different.

I love this scene and I wouldn't still be in it after close to 15 years if I didn't.
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Yeah it was. And it was the first party of sorts that I seen beer. Before that I was like the parties out here are kind of cool, people are really high but really nice, the techno thing is kind of cool it's like the hard heavy rock music I like, but there's never any beer.
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As long as a party is brought proper like this last edc to see all my headline dj's that fucking rocked it like it's hot, idgaf, if you classify as that.

I don't do dumb things to get the auhorities attention on me. I pay alot of money (not this last edc thnx my edc fairies) to see world class, headline dj's. I don't mind paying $50-$100 on a massive if it's done right and I'm seeing 5+ Djs that I love or even a few dj's I've never heard and I become a fan.

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE my undergrounds and the locals that play them. Maybe even they will have a guest that is not local. BUT there is no way in fuck anyone is gonna pull Andy C or Richie Hawtin to a fucking underground. That's why I appreciate massives/ clubs and will never hate on a production like that be ause they pull dj's I wanna see. Call me a conformist IDGAF. I FUCKING LOVE MY MUSIC AND I DONT CARE WHERE I HEAR IT.
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